Sunday, February 3, 2019

Made in the image of God.

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Does Hell Exist?
Depending on interpretation, there are arguably more verses in the Bible about Hell than there are about Heaven. However, for some, the question still remains,…
 
  • Thomas Williams Death without resurrection is Hell contrasted to otherwise being sorry for our sins becoming worthy of heaven to keep living in paradise with our Lord God for eternity in the space that we now see without limitations.
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  • Ted Robinson love cannot exist without justice. God is loving and he is also just so yes, hell exists.
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    • Ted Robinson " this so-called God Almighty does. Continually for.millenia. on a daily basis " 

      Deferred action, is still active, and hell is the just punishment God almighty has sentenced for the breaking if His laws.

      "Your example has no context of a discussion of hell since what my actions can or would be are incomparable to any actions an almighty God might give"

      What you are supposing is that God is unknowable, which is a statement of knowledge of God, therefore self-defeating. An infinite creator has made himself knowable through his creation, just as a house implies a house builder. Therefore it is reasonable that if a giniyr man would require justice for murder and rape so would his creator.

      "A human judge will judge according to human laws. What an alleged God will do I cannot tell."

      Alleged God supposes God does not exist, a claim that requires all knowledge. Are you all knowing? Instead, we see that creation is based on observable laws such as gravity and the conscience of man evidence of a moral lawgiver who has written his laws in our hearts. Otherwise, what would be the basis of right and wrong? Where would you even come up with such an idea as for right and wrong? 

      "You seem to link revenge and justice. They are two different things." 

      How would a man who says knows he cannot know anything about God, while immersed in his creation know such deep internal and abstract motivations in the heart of God to discern between justice and revenge? What you give with one hand you take with the other. 

      Are you supposing that revenge is wicked and justice is good? How do you know? Are you supposing if God took revenge on the wicked by casting them into hell, he would be unjust? That is a lot if knowledge about an unknowable God.
      The issue is you are deliberately denying the existence of God so that you have no responsibility to answer to him. But you will.
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    • Ted Robinson Lauren Murphy God created beings a with a free will to choose.
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    • Ted Robinson Jacob Lorensen " this so-called God Almighty does. Continually for.millenia. on a daily basis " 

      Deferred action, is still active, and hell is the just punishment God almighty has sentenced for the breaking if His laws.      …See More
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    • Damjan Šeruga Hell is the absence of Go(o)d. If someone refuses his loving presence he is already in some kind of hell.
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    • Ted Robinson To some degree yes.
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    • Henrik Pasgaard Ted Robinson 
      (Are you supposing that revenge is wicked and justice is good? How do you know? Are you supposing if God took revenge on the wicked by casting them into hell, he would be unjust? That is a lot if knowledge about an unknowable God.
      The iss      ue is you are deliberately denying the existence of God so that you have no responsibility to answer to him. But you will.)

      So guess that would make a lot of Catholic priests worried.... Even though they have/claim to have faith,,, The many stories of child abuses, that are linked to the Catholic church, will answer to that one unfathomable being you put so much stock in.
      Seems to me that the ones who do not have faith and are good persons have nothing to worry about then, rather than a person of faith committing atrocity.

      "A human judge will judge according to human laws. What an alleged God will do I cannot tell."

      IF that is so. Do you really think that the one who has faith and is confessing his sin really is absolved when he/she dies then.?
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    • Henrik Pasgaard Lauren Murphy Do you really think that a double generated bird was created by your diety?
      If so, do you understand the lesson it teaches you?
      What does a person born with deformities, handicaps or Siamese twins teach you then, since you so arrogantly places you so much higher up on "the ant hill"?
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    • Česťa Řehák Every religion has an afterlife myth. You reincarnate, go to Valhalla, the underworld beyond the river Styx or heaven or hell. People just cannot cope with the idea of not existing anymore, so they come up with these convenient fairy-tales.
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    • Corey Simmonds "Lauren Murphy God created beings a with a free will to choose"

      No, he didn't, Ted. According to Christian belief, God is omniscient and constructed every aspect of the universe, therefore the only way any being would ever act is the way God has always       known they're going to act, based on the nature he imparted and the universe he surrounded them with, foreknowing every aspect of every result.

      Exactly how does one behave differently than their omniscient creator already knows they're going to? "Free will" is just a poorly-considered catchphrase that, in this context, can't possibly mean anything other than "God doesn't interfere in you acting according to your nature and how it develops in response to the universe". If you become a philanthropist, God always knew you would, and nothing you do will vary, for a single microsecond, from what was already foreknown. If you become a serial killer, God knew that would happen, too. These were foregone conclusions the second he crafted the universe, so he made the serial killer to be a serial killer and the philanthropist to be a philanthropist. At no point did they have some "freedom" to be anything other than what they were always going to be as a result of the nature of God's creation - unless, that is, you can explain how one would.
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    • Corey Simmonds "love cannot exist without justice"

      Please explain the justice in infinite punishment for finite crimes, or at you asserting that everything God does is just by default? What, then, is the point of asserting justice at all? How is that anything more than saying "God is God and I just choose to be uncritical" - or more accurately, that you were made to be uncritical?
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  • Julie Fredericks The Bible says it exists. And I believe the Bible. So yes, I 100% believe it exists.
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    • Julie Fredericks Mauro Dias, there's an eternity after we die. We don't just cease to exist. The Bible says there is two places we can choose to spend eternity in. Either Heaven with Jesus or Hell. https://billygraham.org/.../what-happens-to-us-when-we.../
      What happens to us when we die?
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      What happens to us when we die?
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    • Zachary Drewes Julie Fredericks Just cause you Believe something is real does not make it real, I Believed In Santa Claus when I was little but he's not real is he? Same with the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Unicorns and Dragons.
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    • Julie Fredericks Zachary Drewes, I know it's real. That's the real difference.
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    • Zachary Drewes Julie Fredericks How Do You Know?
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    • Julie Fredericks Zachary Drewes, I know because it says all this in the Bible and I have faith in God's Word. That’s enough for me. Simple child-like faith. 🙂 And I’ve experienced God and His presence in my life and the lives of others.
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    • Julie Fredericks Bernard Peroli, oh man, there is so much evidence. Look around you. Nature alone speaks of a creator.
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    • Don Blaker Julie Fredericks Those who don't believe it have not read it with all their hearts & minds. They let others opinions do their thinking for them, the good news is, eternal life is still there for them up until the 11th hour
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    • Česťa Řehák Simple child-like faith you say. I have never understood people of faith. O.o So you do realize that the object of your faith is made up by people of the past, but you still chose to believe in it because it is appealing? Or do you somehow manage to block your skeptical faculties you'd normally apply to ancient mythological beings, preposterous claims and other religions of the past? Or do you actually think Zeus, Re, Shamash, and Thor exist alongside your Yahweh? I am genuinely interested.
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    • Jason Duncan Mauro Dias they do genius.....great whites, alligators, lions....to name a few.
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    • Julie Fredericks Česťa Řehák, there is only one God. The others do not exist. He always was and always will be. This is no fairy-tale. This is all coming to pass. :)
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